Shahrukh wants to make a film on Kishore Kumar!
” Kishore Kumar was another of your childhood idols. So are you eyeing a remake of Chalti Ka Naam Gaadi or Half Ticket next? (Smiling) I think I’d like to make a film on the life of Mr Kishore Kumar. That would be an interesting and a more apt tribute. “
source:http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=13173
As a Kishore Kumar fan what are your reactions to this piece of trivia?
September 27th, 2006 at 5:46 pm
Well said,Pankaj Mohan,Kishore Kumar is indeed Krishna(the purna avatar),while Rafi is “Anshavatar”.I agree.Dear KKKLAN,I also agree with you that KK has maximum fans and is God.
Unknown1,first be a good human,stop telling lies,gather minimum knowledge about music and then write.Though Rafi was good,he is nowhere nearby Kishore Kumar.Everyone knows that Rafi was not versatile,Kishore Kumar is best.Could Rafi have sung”Are Diwano”,”Mein hoon Jhumru”,”Na koi dil mein”,”Yeh Pag Ghoongroo”,”Zindagi ke Safar mein”etc.Kishore Kumar could have sung Rafi songs better than him,it was politics that those songs were given to Rafi.Listen to B-grade songs of Rafi,Ugggh…they are horrible.Rafi’s voice declined with age,not Kishore’s.Manna and Mukesh better than Kishore!Oh God,I will die of laughter.
September 26th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
unknown1,
Who cares what you think about KK’s abilities or not. You don’t have even the common sense to make decent arguments. Forget about the so-called KK’s change of identity (in your own words). Have enough courage, first of all, to come forward with yours true one.
And let me add one more point. I’ve been very moderate in my previous posts while comparing KK and Rafi…because I love Rafi’s style as well and I don’t want to sound ugly while chatting along with the half-minded Rafi fans like you. But, enough indications of where Rafi stands have already been made in my very first post. He is one of the “Avatars” of singing - Rama - no doubt. But, surely not enough skilled to be called Krishna - the “Purn Avatar”. Rama was termed only “Anshavatar” (the partial one).
And to understand it you will have to move out of your tiny Rafi-world - the first condition, and try to understand music in its entirety - the second one (which apparently looks hard for you, looking at the way you are churning out crap statements). Now, don’t start posting the same boring arguments again. Come forward only if you have some more constructive and new ideas to add here.
September 24th, 2006 at 3:22 am
Thanks Debjyoti,
I’ve bookmarked this site, and will keep coming and leave behind my ideas on KK periodically. That’s a promise. No I’m not a member of Orkut, but I’ll check down for the fan clubs you are talking about. Keep adding to this site, it already looks pretty good with the kind of information you have gathered for any average KK fan. Best wishes.
September 23rd, 2006 at 9:20 pm
Dear Pankaj Mohan Sab,
I have seen your writings in Teewariji’s site.You are also a great Kishore Kumar fan,like millions of others in the world.Do write in this site every week.Are you a member of orkut.If yes,please be member of the numerous KK fan clubs(there are many,the no of KK fans is 35,000 more than no of Rafi fans,I have counted).I have also created a KK fan club.
September 23rd, 2006 at 8:08 pm
The two Rafi guys here should understand one thing. This site has been created to fulfil the aesthetic needs of KK fans and not that of Rafi’s. Rafi fans can easily go to some other site and keep begging for the number one spot they have been trying to make a commotion about here.
For me, who is a great fan of the whole lot of golden 50s, 60s, 70s and until mid 80s, along with a very special appreciation for the KK’s contribution, the Rafi vs KK or KK vs Rafi debate is meaningless. Fans should stop indulging into comparisons and try enjoying KK, Rafi, Mukesh and everyone else from that generation as a single golden past of Hindi Cinema Music.
And it’s very appropriate for the KK fans to sing praise for his virtuosity on this site, since that is what they have been called for here. Rafi fans should try to comprehend this simple logic and lead to some other place ASAP…Is Puri Dastan Ko Dil Pe Mat Lo…Ab Apane-Apane Ghar Ki Taraf Vapas Prasthan Karo…
September 23rd, 2006 at 7:52 pm
Kishore is Kishore.What he has done for indian music and films can never be forgotten.He is God.It is true that his popularity is more than all singers,past and present.Allmost all of today’s singers like Sanu,Abhijeet,Babul,Vinod Rathode,Sudesh Bhonsle,Amit Kumar,Shaan,Kay Kay follows Kishore as their idol.
September 23rd, 2006 at 1:21 pm
Kishoreda is the best singer.Hey Kishore fans,let’s not fight with 2 street dogs and let’s enjoy and talk only about greatest Kishoreda.
September 22nd, 2006 at 7:31 pm
Recently on KK’s birthday,Manna Dey told on Aaj Tak that KK was the most talented singer,a true no 1.Bapan has written the comments of famous people on Kishore Kumar.You read them again.He is still most popular.
September 22nd, 2006 at 11:12 am
Unknown1,
just go to all KK fan clubs and Rafi fan clubs in orkut and yahoo,you will see that KK has 30,000 more fans than Rafi.The truth is Kishore Kumar is 100 times more popular than Rafi.100% of KK fans and 90% of Rafi fans believe that KK is greatest singer.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Unknown 1,
How clever you are?You have written at www.mohdrafi.com that there are less writings at KK’s site.Arey,the write up section at this site has been created from 4August,2006 only.The previous version www.yoodleeyoo.com/index-1.php has no write up sections.
There are other sites of KK like songs.kishorekumar.org where there are almost 1000 writings.There are other sites dedicated to KK like EXTREME KISHORE KUMAR and many more.
Recently I have seen in orkut that KK fan clubs has 30,000 more members than Rafi fan clubs.
September 20th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Bapan,everyone knows that Kishore Kumar is best singer with maximum fans,except a mad,illeterate man called Unknown1.He has however told one truth that Kishoreda is a great actor.Unknown1,I pity with you.You alone are fighting for Rafi,amidst so many Kishore fans.It will be better if you don’t humilate yourself any more by quitting this site.Don’t feel bad,just get lost,whooosh!!!!
September 20th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
Unknown 1,
You should be ashamed that you are telling lies on the personal life of Kishoreda.Most music directors,singers,lyricists believe that Kishoreda is no1(all time)as singer.Do you know more music than them?Kishoreda never changed his name,you bustard,swine.
September 18th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
Unknown1,
the song that Kishoreda sang for Naushad is in film Sunhera Sansar called Hello Hello kya haal hai.Lata did not sing for O.P NAIYAR,Rafi also did not sing
for several music directors.Mukesh is very much unpopular nowadays.You did not know English and music also.So many people have told great things about
KK.You can buy the book”Kishore Kumar-the many faces of a genius”.
September 17th, 2006 at 10:46 pm
Unknown 1,
Check on the database of this site to see that Naushad made Kishore Kumar sing in a 1975 film.Not only Anandji but many people told that Kishore Kumar was a great human being,a complete,greatest singer.
Do you know that a person called JB critisized you greatly and rightfully in this section a few days ago,telling you to leave this site and calling you bad names.Have you seen it?I don’t know why they have been removed.I am telling the administrator to put them back here.
September 17th, 2006 at 5:17 am
I can say that there is no singer comparable with Kishoredada. He is the legend as a versatile singer, actor, musician, director, producer. In bollywood the versatile singing has started with DADA Kishore, he is the first hero-comedean. The bolloywood will never see agian the singer like him.
His style of singing can not be adopted by any singer. S.P. Balasubramaniam, Udit narayan and Sudesh Bhonsle can little be compared with KK, but no way equal to KK.
Dada kishore can sing any type of song whether it was: Romantic - makes some one to love, Masti - makes some one to dance, Sad - makes some one to cry, which can not be possible to any other singer. Since 1969 (aradhana) he was undefeated in Bollywood until his death in 1987. Actors, Directors, Producer stoped their cinemas for Dada Kishore to sing in their films. Public in those days used to rush cinema theatres to listen the songs of KK, KK with is voice made many movies lead box office even the cinema was fail as per sotry.
Example - Dada Kishore did not sing three of amithabh movies because of skirmishes with amithabh, those three movies were flap.
September 16th, 2006 at 2:20 am
Rafi and Kishore belonged to two different eras in Hindi film making. The needs of the craft were different when Rafi sand to his peak during the 50s and 60s. When it came to the action and cinema scope extravaganza of the 70s and onwards, Rafi subsided as his classical mould proved insufficient. The industry needed far too more versatile response, something the likes of Kishore, RD Burman and Asha Bhonsle had in them. They had had a huge impact on the generation that grew up listening to their blend since the early 70s onwards.
I have personally been a maniac KK fan. Never ever visited the Rafi camp or liked his style when I was still growing up at the time of KK’s demise. But, things have somewhat changed since then and I find both singers equally appealing at 37. You can’t compare or denounce the name like Kishore, Rafi and Mukesh. All had something special in them in their own spheres. If Rafi was Rama, the “Maryada-Purshottam” of play back singing that spoke of the finest side of “Hindustani” culture, Kishore was Krishna, the “Purna Avatar”, with all the additional colours and “Mudras” to whip up emotions. Obviously, Kishore was more spontaneous and hence better suited to occupy the stage when Sholay and “Dam Maro Dam” were signaling a transition in the very craft of film making.
Pankaj
September 10th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
To me Kishore kumar is the best singer . No one can even touch his place.
September 9th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
These two singers can never be compared. I am a huge fan of KishoreDa, primarily because of his voice and style of singing (imparting the perfect emotion to the composition). That’s what differentiates KishoreDa from the rest.
However, Rafi saahab had a technical finesse and range that remains unparalled in HFM.
September 7th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
I have books on Kishore Kumar and I am giving comments of famous people on KK-
R.D-(whose favourite singer was KK from the beginning to end & whose max. songs were singed by great Kishore)-Kishoreda is the best male voice in our industry.He can sing classical songs better than any singer.The range,modulation & flexibility in his voice is best.
Lata-Kishoreda was a samprn kalakar.He could sing any type of song easily.I have no words to praise this musical genius who is an institution by himself.
Asha-Kishoreda is the best male voice in Indian films.I have got greatest pleasure singing with him.Whenever I think of playback singers,I think about my elder sister and Kishoreda.
Pyarelal-Kishore Kumar was a brilliant singer,performer and comedian.Many of today’s singers like Sanu,Abhijeet,Babul Supriyo,Vinod Rathode & even Shaan tries to copy him.
Anandji-Kishoreda was a great singer,probably the only complete singer.He was a great human being also.We owe 90% of our success to him.
S.D-Working with singer Kishore has given me greatest pleasure.
Bapi Lahiri-Kishoremama is my all time favourite singer.He has sung so many songs for me.The range in his voice was terrific.He is also the greatest performer in the world.
Anu Malik-He was God.He has sung allmost 100 songs for me.
Alka Yagnik-Everybody in my family is his crazy fan.If you see the C.Ds and cassetes in my car and house,you will see that there is an overwhelming majority of two names-Kishore Kumar & Lata Mangeshkar.
Who told you Unknown1, that Rajesh Khanna did not speak about Kishore’s
contribution.In the book it was written that-
Rajesh Khanna-Kishore Kumar is my favourite singer. I owe the majority of my success to him.
Big B-I feel privileged & blessed to give lip to Kishoreda’s songs.
Why is that Rafi did not sing for Randhir Kapoor,Raj Kapoor,Asrani,Mithun,Goldi Anand?Why is that Rafi did not sing for Anil Biswas,Swapan Chakraborty?R.D never went back to Rafi,you liar.Why is that Salil Chowdhury,Hemant Kumar used Kishore more?KK had so many hits with R.D,S.D,K-A,L-P,Bapi Lahiri,Rajesh Roshan.He has also sang for Naushad in a 1975 film.
Many singers like Kay Kay,Kunal Ganjawala,Babul Supriyo,Rex,Abhijeet Sawant,Amit Sana,Debojit,Nihira,Himani,Karunya,Shamit etc. has told Kishore Kumar is their favourite singer.
Kishore Kumar was not only the voice of Rajesh and Amitabh,you fool.He was also the voice of Dev,Rishi Kapoor,Randhir Kapoor,Shasi Kapoor,Sanjeev Kumar,Kishore Kumar,Mithun etc.
Kumar Sanu-Kishore Kumar is my favourite,my guru,like millions of others.His expressions and throwing was great.The way he has paved his way as the favourite singer in the hearts of many without learning music proves he is the best.
Abhijeet-If now a survey is taken,it will be seen that Kishoreda is still the no 1 to 10 among all playback singers,both male and female.
KK also sang many classic bengali songs,Tagore songs,patriotic songs,classical songs, pop songs,karaoke songs,fun songs,sad songs,situational songs,romantic songs-everything.Many heroes have acknowledged that they got fame due to KK’s songs.
KISHORE KUMAR IS THE GREATEST AND MOST POPULAR SINGER.
September 6th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Kishoreda is still the no 1 singer.I feel he is better than anybody else.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:05 am
I am a big fan of Rafi & Kishore. But technicaly speaking Rafi had the edge over Kishore. When one talks of a golden voice, no singer from any part of the world could match up to Rafi’s unique clear fine voice!
Bapan gives quotes from Lata & Asha on Kishore. I have recorded quotes by Lata & Asha on Rafi. Lata says on a television documentry “We shall not hear as fine a voice as his for the next 100yrs” Asha says on a Radio tribute to Rafi “There are many good singers, but when you talk of a gifted voice, Rafi had that gift” LP had said “They owed their first filmfare award for their score on Dosti to Rafi”
Top singers Sonu Nigam, Udit Nayaran belong to the Rafi school who are technicaly better than Kumar Sanu, Babul Supriyo, Kunal, Abhijet etc..
RD Burman’s rise to fame was due to Rafi & Asha on Teesri Manzil, where was Kishore! Why did SD Burman use Rafi on the big hit “tere mere sapne” and not Kishore. Why did RD Burman used mostly Rafi on Qawalis than Kishore.
Why did RD Burman use Rafi on “Kya hua tera vada” & not Kishore, for which Rafi had won the filmfare award & National Award.
Why did Kalyanji Anandji use Rafi on “Zindagi to bewafa hai” (sad version to Kishore’s light version) since it was Kishore’s song after all.
In some of Kishore acted films, Rafi playbacked for him!
Its fact, research for yourself, Rafi has sung in more different styles than kishore, from popular, ghazals, bajans, qawalis, 60’s rock&roll, disco, the list goes on!
When Rafi passed away in 1980, he held the maximum number of male filmfare awards of 6 to kishore’s 3. Remember Rafi made a comeback from the mid 70’s to rival with Kishore, for which when Rafi passed away that gave open ground to Kishore. Remember Filmfare only started giving the playback award to one singer only from 1960, if filmfare had began with the male & female playback award from 1953, Rafi would have held with no doubt the maximum number of male playback awards til now!
For any intelligent person should know how much politics, prejudice and favourtism there has been in the bollywood industry, Asha Boshle even admitted it herself this has always been the case!
Sonu Nigam even said “I never realised that Rafi was such a taboo subject” I wonder if Rafi being a muslim had some affect on things, you don’t find many muslim playback singers especially during Rafi’s time!.
When Kishore came onto the scene with Aradana in 1969, If it was’nt for SD Burman’s ill health, Rafi would have had more songs in the film, so when son RD took over, he gave the better songs to Kishore than Rafi.
Hence this was good timing for RD, Kishore & Rajesh Khanna which clicked very well and was therefore the main trio to rule from then on. Obviously this gave Rafi a back seat for the first half of the seventies. Hence further to the business side of the industry, it was more investiable to have Kishore as the main male singer than Rafi, that’s why many Producers music directors opted for Kishore at that time. Remember Rafi had ruled the scene in the 50’s & 60’s. It was’nt only Rafi who was affected, big time music directors Shankar Jaikishan fell back along with Madan Mohan, OP Nayar etc..
It was then Madan Mohan’s insistance to have Rafi than Kishore
for his superhit score of Laila Majnu in 76 which paid off and raised Rafi on the same level with Kishore until his untimely death in 1980.
Like I mentioned, I am also a Kishore fan, but if one can honestly see for themselves which male singer had the true golden gift and technical edge, it was Rafi.
It was on a recent poll by various music directors & singers that Rafi was classed as the most popular male singer according to the top most popular songs of all time.
On a final note, all from what I have mentioned, I urge you to research for yourself to see if what I mentioned is fact or not.
September 4th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
Dear bloggers,
I think its not fair to compare KK with Rafi. KK was a gifted singer and Rafi was trained one. KK sometimes didnt know which Rag he was singing. So for that matter you can say that KK didnt have the “knowledge” of music. Which others might have. But the greatness it that, even he didnt have that knowledge, he could sing anything… yes anything… any Rag or any melody… He could sing classical and non classical with equal magic. No other singer so far has done that. KK was admirer of Rafi but thats a different story. The versatility is the monopoly of KK even till today. Industry used to say that he had Midas touch - the phrase was not used for anybody else so far.
So lets not fight and hurt each other’s sentiments. Rafi too was a very good singer. He sung more songs then KK. And there are thousands of Fan world wide.
Boh of them have their right place.
Lets enjoy their music.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:00 pm
dear Bapan it is from Sagar
Sagar Says:
It is wonderful to hear 85-year-old Manna Dey, himself a singing legend, talk about how honoured India is to have had a singer like Mohammad Rafi. It is nice to hear the much younger Sonu Nigam talk about Rafi — who died in July 1980 — and his heritage. “Not only did I dream of becoming a singer because of Rafisaab,” he told me the other day, “I also feel he was and will always be the giant of the musical scene in India.”
But it is certainly not a nice thing to hear that Rafi did not get his due in his own country, and that he had to be content with a Padma Shri while his contemporary Lata Mangeshkar was honoured with the Bharat Ratna, India’s highest civilian accolade.
Even as one factors in the absurdity inherent in giving out awards including the Oscars — Alfred Hitchcock never got one and Martin Scorsese is still waiting for his — one ought to note that Rafi had received his Padma Shri in 1965. Lata received a higher award, the Padma Bhushan, but after four years. She received the Bharat Ratna in 2001. Rafi had long passed into the ages by then.
Lata is among very few musicians including M S Subbulakshmi who have received the Bharat Ratna. Does that mean other eminent musicians like Ravi Shankar, Balamurali Krishna, Bhimsen Joshi or Bade Ali Ghulam Khan did not win sufficient recognition in India?
Rafi was a singing meteor of his time. Just a dozen songs from films like Baiju Bawra, Kohinoor and Guide assures him immortality.
And yet, with virtually every composer and singer worshipping him, especially between 1950 and 1970, he got an undue number of songs to sing and unwittingly hurt the careers of contemporaries like Manna Dey, Talat Mahmood, and to a lesser degree, Hemant Kumar.
He was overexposed to such an extent that some of his songs, especially in films like Aman (composed by Shankar-Jaikishen) and Palki (composer: Naushad Ali) sounded overstretched and over dramatic. And yet some of the most eminent composers including S D Burman were afraid to tell the producers and the stars, especially Rajendra Kumar, Shammi Kapoor and Dharmendra, that there were other good singers.
One can count the number of songs Manna Dey sang for Burman; it is another story that those few songs — Poocho Na Kaise in Teri Surat Meri Aanken turned out to be milestones.
Even when Kishore Kumar became a phenomenon with his songs in Aradhana (1970) and monopolised the musical scene for two decades, Rafi was not sidelined. He sang lovely numbers like Kya Hua Tera Wada and Chura Liya for R D Burman even as Kishore hogged the scene. Producers like Nasir Hussain and Manmohan Desai preferred Rafi to Kishore, and older actors like Dharmendra were in Rafi’s camp.
I don’t remember ever reading or hearing that Rafi, who was known for his impeccable courtesy and great humanity, felt the least discomfort when Kishore Kumar monopolised the Hindi film music scene.
As one listens to some of the great singers of that era including Manna Dey, Talat Mahmood and Mukesh, one wonders why they did not get more songs.
“There were many occasions I thought of using Manna Dey for my songs,” composer Ravi told me two years ago, quickly adding that he was in awe of Rafi’s voice. “But the actors often demanded Rafi.” The few songs Manna Dey sang for Ravi in films like Waqt and Ek Phool Do Maali have become classics.
One producer to resist the We-must-have-Rafi syndrome was B R Chopra. He gave Mahendra Kapoor a good break in Gumrah and repeated him in many films including Dastaan, which featured Dilip Kumar who was beholden to Rafi.
Indian film music would perhaps have been richer had composers ranging from Madan Mohan to O P Nayyar to Salil Choudhury to S D Burman shown a stronger independent streak and nourished the singing career of other singers.
Regards
Sagar
August 28th, 2006 at 2:41 pm
Folks,
I too like some of you am a great Kishore Kumar fan, have witnessed and partcipated in great “who’s better?Rafi-Kishore Kumar?” debate. I always believed that while Rafi Saab was a most accomplished singer, Kishore da scored in terms of sheer quality of voice. But I wasn’t sure of this till I heard Ustad Zakir Hussain say this on radio a few months back when asked who two he thought were the best singers. “Rafi Saab for sheer skill, and Kishre Da for purity of voice,” he said. If that helps quell the fight..having come from the Ustad himself. cheers
August 26th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
Kishoreda is by far the greatest singer and performer in the world.Dear Kishoreda’s fans,don’t pay heed to what some people says.Shahrukh should make a film on him. Satyajit Ray’s son also made a documentary on him.