Comments on: An endless feud between the fans of Mohammed Rafi and Kishore Kumar..

By: pavankumar

pavankumar — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:59:37 +0000

Rafi is no match for Kishore who is simply the best. Kishore is God-Gifted singer while Rafi is a trained singer. God-Gifted kishore sings with his heart and soul while Rafi with brain that’s why the feeling which Kishore kumar songs reveal are not even touched by Rafi. There are no feelings in Rafi’s voice while there is gaity, fun and melancholy and love feeling from the bottom of heart in the voice of Kishore. That is why I say 1 song of Kishore is equal to 100 songs of Rafi.

By: KLF - ZTAS 77

KLF - ZTAS 77 — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 04:08:47 +0000

I have to say some of the very negative comments made about Rafi saab here are just are coming from cloud cuckoo land !!!!! I mean what planet did some of these people come from ?????????? Ladu land !!!!!!! Come on guys is not time to wake up and accept the reality of professional views in the music world !!!!!!! With no disrespect to Kishore da as he was a fantastic singer in his own right (I myself have a huge collection of Kishore songs) but however he was still limited in technical ability when it came to singing in classical styles and even in qawwalis, he was limited in technical range, hence why did RD Burman went to Rafi more with qawwalis? Rafi saab won a filmfare award and National award under RD Burman in “Kya Hua Tera Vada”, Kishore da never achieved this !!!!!!!! I have listened to so many “live” made comments made by professional artists stating that Rafi saab stood out from the rest !!! Why don’t these cloud cuckoo people here just do some honest research for themselves on the matter? But no these people just cannot accept the bigger picture !!! Even Kishore da himself stated at the time of Rafi saab demise that he himself was no where near the greatness of Rafi saab !! At Rafi’s funeral (available to see on the web) just see the huge crowd attending the procession on a heavy rainy day, it was in fact one of the largest funeral processions ever seen !! What does that tell you about Rafi saab’s popularity to that point !!! When you hear professional artists stating Rafi saab’s supreme ability as a singer, I mean what does that tell you? That their all wrong ??? I’m sure everyone could acknowledge that Kishore da’s voice deteriorated from the early 80′s, he sounded more coarser compared to early 70′s. Rafi saab’s voice still had the clarity and range, for instance listen to the Rafi/RD Burman duet “Yamma Yamma” in 1980, how vibrant & youthful Rafi sounded in his voice! Somebody here stated that Rafi saab was unable to modulate his voice to different actors! What a cuckoo statement to make!! Go to You Tube and listen to Jeetendra talking about Rafi’s modulation performance in singing for Guru Dutt and in the same film singing for Johnny Walker. Anyway if some people still want to stick by these cuckoo land views and then please go back to cuckoo land and stay there !!! I will finally say again that Kishore da was a fantastic singer but Rafi saab did have that technical edge over everyone else which is widely acknowledged in the music world and even by Kishore da himself !!!!!!!!. Hence to those very biased Kishore fans out there, if your Guru is saying this about Rafi saab then who are you by stating negative comments about Rafi saab ??? Anyway at the end of the day I myself admire and respect all singers in their styles.

By: sunil kumar

sunil kumar — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:46:51 +0000

2165 says that only muslims and pakistani portray Rafi saheb above kishore is either a fool or a biggest traitor of this country. Calling Rafi saheb admirers as traitors can only be by a fool or traitor. I dont know what is his age or when was he born must know the following things.
1. Rafi is the only singer who went to Indo Chaina border at the time of war to boost the morale of Indian troops.
2. All the patriotic songs which we have seen while we grew up are of Rafi saheb. He was a Specialist I can say in patriotic songs.
3. When He sang a Bhajan for Bahiju Bawra “Man Tarpat Hari Darshan ko AAJ” He learnt sanskrit to clear his diction and when Pt. Nehru heard this Bhajan He enquired abot the singer when he came to know he is Muslim he was surprised how could a muslim sing like a pure Pandit he called him over to his house and gave him a silver coin as memoral.
4. I ask you Can KK sing “man Tarpat Hari Darshan ko aaj”. ” Madhuban mein Rafhika Naache Re”. KK himself knew it that is why when an classical song was given to him “Man Mora Bawra” He refused and instead told music director to take Rafi for this song. They were great friends and knew each others plus points.
5. Contribution to Indain Music By rafi saheb is immense. He inspired new generations so much that after his demise all the new singers who came were in awe of him they followed his footsteps and openly said so. Shabbir Kumar , Mohd aziz , Sonu Nigam all owe heir careers to Rafi saheb only.
6 In 2001 Rafi sahen was declared Singer of the Millenium by an overwhelming 70% votes by star Dust and Hero Honda Group. Which sponsored SA RE GA NA PA on Zee TV. Rafi saheb was Ultimate as far as singing is concerned.
when you say todays generation hear only Kishore songs I am sorry to say I dont blame today’s generation people as they are Fed By FM channels.
soon they will forget kishore also if this trend continues .These FM channels play only New songs day in and day out that is why today generation do not know about Rafi saheb and kishore Da . It is not their mistake. By callng all those paliatani who admire rafi saheb you have hurt our sentiments but i will not retaliate . Hindus have made temples for rafi saheb who is a symbol of india’s secularism. My request to all KK fans pls do not hurl abuses at us We are as patriotic as any other indian and we are proud of our country its culture its heritage and Rafi saheb.
My request to all those who love hindi film music to save Indian film music from onslaught of these pakistani Atif aslam and Rahet fateh ali khan they are changing the singing style of hindi songs and want us to adopt their own style.
Our singing style is different from them we want to save our heritage of rafi saheb,kishore Da , Manna Dey & Mukesh Ji all very respected singers.
Also restore the Golden era songs from 1955- 1970 . I have also written a letter to the editor times of India for saving Indian hindi songs.

By: Rajesh kumar

Rajesh kumar — Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:47:14 +0000

Dear all,
I see that everyone talks about kishore ji and Mohd. Rafi sb. I read their singing qualities their admiration by people but i never heard Mahender kapoor and kumarsanu’s admiration. whenever I go in any private bus or go in any marrige function i mostly listen the songs of kumar sanu runs there. I see that boys immitiate sanu’s voice to sing like him. I never heard the admiration of k. sanu. why………..?

By: Fazal Ahmad

Fazal Ahmad — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:25:17 +0000

Dear musiclovers,

All gentlemen on this thread who are reading me, I want to bring something to light. You must have noticed that the kind of songs and music that are being made today. Its a shame. Quality music is dissapearing.
I think the only way we can help improve the quality of music today is to educate our children with good quality songs. We should expose them to the khazana of music that our predecessors legends have left us with . I have noticed that youth today does not even know about legends like Rafi saab, Kishoreda and Mannadey. I mean, literally young generation doesnt even know the “names” of our legends. Infact, they find it old-fashioned when an old melody is played in front of them. Why? Thats because they have never been taught about these legends by their parents. Its very shameful.

I think the only way is to expose our children with this quality music at an early age, so that they develop an interest and love for these legends. Its then that they would be able to understand that whats quality music.
I hope all of you gentlemen here are with me for this cause. If we want to preserve our music and prevent it from getting effected by westernization then, we all need to do our duty and propagate this into the life of today`s generation.

Thanks and Adaab!
Fazal

By: Raj

Raj — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:45:40 +0000

sunil-2165

A patriotic message

By: Bhattacharya

Bhattacharya — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:43:25 +0000

2163 pinakesh

Many people also call rafi’s voice as feminine, what about this point ? Fans will say anything but facts cannot be changed. Kishore’s voice is more majestic male voice than rafi and another singer of south, the genius ghantashala is clearly superior to rafi in male majestic voice, strength and range, as well as technical skills. I do not think technically any playback singer can come even nearer to ghantashala’s unique style of singing. His songs are also very hard to sing.

By: Raj

Raj — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:27:27 +0000

Anurag – 2164

Kishore’s lower note songs are more comfortable than rafi, who was more comfortable in medium range to a bit extent in high pitches. Moreover, rafi’s voice lost its sheen in 70′s whereas, kishore even in late stage of his life it was good to hear. Kishore’s fan following in 70′s is much more to rafi, and rafi had importance in mid- 50′s to mid 60′s roughly around 13 years, kishore had importance from 1969 to 1987 almost 2 decades, rafi was not a lead singer than kishore in 70′s. finally, rafi was a trained singer than kishore, so without much training kishore has achieved what others could not achieve. Rafi, without training could never have achieved what kishore has achieved in hindi film playback singing. That is what makes kishore class apart vis-a-vis rafi. What ever you rafi fans views may be, these facts cannot be changed by any means.

Rafi is no match to ghantasala, who was far ahead in technical brilliance to rafi, ghazals has nothing to do with the industry in which ghantasala was placed and ghantasala was a genius in padyams and sanskrit renderings (besides film songs of various genres which you agree), where rafi does not even come nearer to him. Other departments you yourself agree for ghantasala’s brilliance which makes him overall superior to rafi clearly. Even voice range and strength voice ghantasala was clearly superior to rafi. Ghantasala alone is the playback singer in the country who ruled as a versatile music director and playback singer (with brilliant voice) for nearly 3 decades without competition until his death – in a industry due to his genius – rafi would never have achieved what ghantasala has achieved in telugu industry, where his contribution remains unparalleled even to this day. And calling him a bhajan type is pure ignorance (though you agree on his brilliance), he has ruled a film industry for 3 decades that is enough to put your views in a dustbin. Finally rafi’s songs can be easily sung as compared to ghantasala’s songs which require lot of practise to sing (as compared to rafi’s songs)

Can you sing ghantasala ragas in padyams and film songs similarly or even nearer, just try ? I doubt whether you can come even nearer. Not only you, rafi literally struggles in kuhu kuhu song as compared to ghantasala’s original version and ghantasala sings the ragas in it, as if they are nothing for him (it is not only technical brilliance, but his way of singing which was a gift for him)

Next, I do not think you can copy kishore as well similarly, there will be lot of difference when you hear kishore’s original renderings. you can check it.

By: sunil

sunil — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:25:02 +0000

Kishore kumar was much much ahead of mohammad rafi. The life in kishore kumar’s voice is amazing. mohammad rafi always looks old and tired. Today kishore kumar’s songs are thousands of times more popular than mohamaad rafi songs. pakistanis and other muslims just always try to portray mohammah rafi above kishore kumar.
To everyone who thinks mohammad rafi was better or even nearer to kishore kumar — just check how many kishore kumar’s songs are heard today and how many mohammad rafi’s, though both were same era singers. T his is the magic of Kishore kumar.
Kishore kumar had gift of god. No male singer comes near to him.

By: anurag

anurag — Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:02:16 +0000

Ref my post2162. I read earlier posts also, where mention of K L Saigal is done and compared with Rafi.
I would express my feelings here: Saigal was a great singer and sang only few hundred songs to prove his brilliance on music.
K L Saigal, Mohd Rafi, Lata, Jagjit Singh expressed themselves so accurately and with deep emotional voice that they can not be compared with each other. they are greats!!! True, rafi was more versatile among all above; but each one equal in own respect. jagjit had limited but very accurate style, directly touching the heart.
Ghatasala is very good but “Bhajan type” and not comfortable with Ghazals, though brilliant in all other departments. manna De is excellent, accurate but lacks raw material – “Voice quality”
Mukesh had voice quality, but out of range, inaccurate.
mahendra kapur, nasal voice , a rough clone of Rafi, could not penetrate heart of people.
Asha, good in singing but not divine like lata, rafi, Saigal or Jagjeet.
There is one more divine voice possessing all above qualities- the graet mehdi Hassan. Can sing anything.
Why Rafi is acceptable more to general people because he possesses all qualities of singers mentioned above in the right ratio.
kishore- with good voice quality but could not sing deeper; could have done much better.
I can sing all Kishore songs, but copying Rafi’s murky calls for a training of 20 yrs, which he expresses that no one feels but knows when try to sing.
Same case with lata, Mehdi Hassan, jagjit, Saigal. They can not be copied. they have shown their talent in their singing. The harkatein they have taken are very very difficult. Of course Ghantasala can copy but soul and emotion are missing.