Comments on: A Darker Truth http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html Kishore Kumar Sat, 17 May 2008 05:17:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Anil Pedgaonkar http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7749 Thu, 08 May 2008 15:23:53 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7749 in aakraman a good patrootic song by kishore discussed in this forum. also the song jeevan se na har jeenewale was played repetedly for jawans to give courage. muze prem ka rog laga is a good bhajan ( other songs in movie are by rafi). bhajan ssinger anup jalota s voice is of type of kishore and he had used kishore as an idol in college life. kishore's voice is suited more to bhajans han ghzals or quwwalis. he himself planned to come with a private version of bhajans and mentioned kabir as his favorite in a n interview in 86. in aakraman a good patrootic song by kishore discussed in this forum. also the song jeevan se na har jeenewale was played repetedly for jawans to give courage. muze prem ka rog laga is a good bhajan ( other songs in movie are by rafi). bhajan ssinger anup jalota s voice is of type of kishore and he had used kishore as an idol in college life. kishore’s voice is suited more to bhajans han ghzals or quwwalis. he himself planned to come with a private version of bhajans and mentioned kabir as his favorite in a n interview in 86.

]]> by: ashish kapoor http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7644 Mon, 05 May 2008 11:41:32 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7644 hi every-body, i challenge all of u kishore'da fans and specially anil pedgaonkar sa'ab to come up with the facts about the no of patriotic and bhajans sung by kishore'da.you guys will not be able to match rafi sa'ab even in the wildest of your dreams.for every one song that u will come-up with, i will give two songs of rafi sa'ab. ashish kapoor,ashkpr@hotmail.com, tel-09810087414,09212587414 hi every-body, i challenge all of u kishore’da fans and specially anil pedgaonkar sa’ab to come up with the facts about the no of patriotic and bhajans sung by kishore’da.you guys will not be able to match rafi sa’ab even in the wildest of your dreams.for every one song that u will come-up with, i will give two songs of rafi sa’ab. ashish kapoor,ashkpr@hotmail.com, tel-09810087414,09212587414

]]> by: ajv_bristol_uk http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7600 Sat, 03 May 2008 21:52:52 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7600 Kk fans, A nice song of kishore da-Asha duet Mere pyase man ki bahar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghS8KekFnk4 Kk fans,

A nice song of kishore da-Asha duet

Mere pyase man ki bahar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghS8KekFnk4

]]> by: Anil Cherian http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7597 Sat, 03 May 2008 19:42:22 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7597 And Manish bhai, there is the famous AAA song too, where Rafi sahab sails thru the patches were the other 2 (Pls. not there is absolutely no disrespect 2 them, they're very good in their own way) struggle. And Manish bhai, there is the famous AAA song too, where Rafi sahab sails thru the patches were the other 2 (Pls. not there is absolutely no disrespect 2 them, they’re very good in their own way) struggle.

]]> by: Manish Kumar http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7594 Sat, 03 May 2008 17:53:20 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7594 Anil, for high pitch comparison - just see the Rafi-Kishore duet from Ram Balram. When Kishore sings in high scale "Na Bana Choooorrrrr" to match up to Rafi's na miT sake nasiibo.n ke kalam kii - Kishore sounds muffled in comparison. Anil, for high pitch comparison - just see the Rafi-Kishore duet from Ram Balram. When Kishore sings in high scale “Na Bana Choooorrrrr” to match up to Rafi’s na miT sake nasiibo.n ke kalam kii - Kishore sounds muffled in comparison.

]]> by: Anil Cherian http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7589 Sat, 03 May 2008 15:31:33 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7589 Ref: Post 105: Agree with many of ur points, esp. with respect to Kishoreda's early start (therefore the novelty factor) advantage. However ur observation on Kishoreda's voice retaining its depth at higher notes is way off the mark simply bcoz he never ventured into those territories that Rafi sahab or Yesudas sir did. For ur information the last 'Rakhwale.....' of that song is a good 5 notes (ALMOST AN ENTIRE OCTAVE) above what Kishoreda has ever managed (ab sochoon nahi bhoole...., for instance in the song 'mere naina'...). Infact Kishoreda's highest notes were routine (mid-pitches) for Rafi sahab and if Rafi sahab ever sounded less-than-deep (which I don't believe was the case) it was when he ventured into those unchartered territories (upper 3rd octave and lower 4th octave). Reg. ur observation on 'maine poocha...' I'd also say that Rafi sahab sounded a bit off-peak (not off-key in anyway) in it as well as in a lot of late '70s songs. However I'd give him the benefit of doubt in the sense that perhaps it was a deliberate modulation on the part of the gentle giant to synchronise with those beautiful lyrics. But 'dard-e-dil...' was a beauty, the voice 2 me, was a sexy, killer voice in this song. Ref: Post 105:
Agree with many of ur points, esp. with respect to Kishoreda’s early start (therefore the novelty factor) advantage. However ur observation on Kishoreda’s voice retaining its depth at higher notes is way off the mark simply bcoz he never ventured into those territories that Rafi sahab or Yesudas sir did. For ur information the last ‘Rakhwale…..’ of that song is a good 5 notes (ALMOST AN ENTIRE OCTAVE) above what Kishoreda has ever managed (ab sochoon nahi bhoole…., for instance in the song ‘mere naina’…). Infact Kishoreda’s highest notes were routine (mid-pitches) for Rafi sahab and if Rafi sahab ever sounded less-than-deep (which I don’t believe was the case) it was when he ventured into those unchartered territories (upper 3rd octave and lower 4th octave). Reg. ur observation on ‘maine poocha…’ I’d also say that Rafi sahab sounded a bit off-peak (not off-key in anyway) in it as well as in a lot of late ’70s songs. However I’d give him the benefit of doubt in the sense that perhaps it was a deliberate modulation on the part of the gentle giant to synchronise with those beautiful lyrics. But ‘dard-e-dil…’ was a beauty, the voice 2 me, was a sexy, killer voice in this song.

]]> by: Anil Pedgaonkar http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7582 Sat, 03 May 2008 09:55:11 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7582 pl listen to the impact of voice in rr song "kab tak andhere chalate rahenge" sung by KK, Yeh jeevan hai , zindagi ka safar. then u will realize the importance of gr8 voiceof KK it's impact, softness and expressiveness. Rather than don or zumroo yodelling these KK songs the depth and softness combination can not be met by rafgi/YEsudas/SPB and not even by Kumar sanu/amitkumar. these songs are testimony to greatness of KK. ghazal is not a song for music it is basically more poetry again jagit sing excels here. Quwaali is rarely a classic music peace. it is group singing. kishore's voice like anup jalota has graced bhajans.( muze prem ka rog laga). the life philosophy songs wwere his milestone. the song JeevAn se na har jeenawlae as repeatedly playe over radio in kargil war. Hawone pe likh do Hawaon ke is the best nature beauty praising song in bolly wood. please don not get carried away by range and modulation and clasical training. thee expression softness and depth in the voice are equally importanr qualities which were at their full extent with kishore. most of LPs music was a trash after 1975 including even hits with boring repetitive theka. look at rajesh roshan composition thoda hai thode, dil kya kare sung by kishore. such variety is not sung by rafi. no singer and md but KK and rd dared to get a light singer sing a version in tandem with classical singer. Kishore did it in light romantic bhavgeet version "hume tumse pyar kitana" against the mujra version By parveen sultana. if u do not get carried by classical music the light romantic version appeals more due to sftness and expression and pronounciation of words. the version when first heard in a cafe teria made a spellbound effect over a group of my friends who weere critics of kishore and continue to remain with exceptions like this song and chukar mere manko . both songs had a trmendous effect on every body. rdB came on a radio show and selected lata/amit version over amit version of the song "yaad aa rahi hai" and put the song on. next he put the second song on that was "hme tumse pyar kitana" by kishore. rafi and the gr8 songs he sang "khoya khoya chand", and created imae which reminded composers to call him whenever similar situations and songs were composed. so the task ahead kishore was difficult. gradually over years kishore's impressions were fromed . with his life songs in mind " Rhidaynath" got him sung "zindagi aa raha hu mai" and "accha to hum chalate hai "reflected in the duet " muze tum yad karna". KKs sad image gave birth to many songs. a unique KK image is portrayed by rajesh roshan in " koi roko na " . It is interesting to note that rafi sang many memorable songs forrajesh khanna" due to yhis image formation" nafarat ki , yuhi tum muzse baat karte ho, gulabi aankhe, Ab aan milo sajana etc. but after kishore singing for many years then for amitabh bacchan it is not easy to recollect good and important songs sung by rafi for amitabh as by that time the kishore image as formed in the minds of composers. they could adapt and compose tunes with kishore in mind. there is third distinct variety of kishore songs apart from his unimitable singing of sad and soft songs that is songs like "are diwano muze pahachano", which is alos not easy for Rafi and others. mere naina sawan bhado ( a lata type song) again would not have suited MR. SPB so much was the impact of kishore voice that Ramlaxman created a song ( serious song" with kishore in mind " maine tuse kuch nahi manga " for the film "Katha" pl listen to the impact of voice in rr song “kab tak andhere chalate rahenge” sung by KK, Yeh jeevan hai , zindagi ka safar. then u will realize the importance of gr8 voiceof KK it’s impact, softness and expressiveness.
Rather than don or zumroo yodelling these KK songs the depth and softness combination can not be met by rafgi/YEsudas/SPB and not even by Kumar sanu/amitkumar. these songs are testimony to greatness of KK. ghazal is not a song for music it is basically more poetry again jagit sing excels here. Quwaali is rarely a classic music peace. it is group singing. kishore’s voice like anup jalota has graced bhajans.( muze prem ka rog laga). the life philosophy songs wwere his milestone. the song JeevAn se na har jeenawlae as repeatedly playe over radio in kargil war. Hawone pe likh do Hawaon ke is the best nature beauty praising song in bolly wood.
please don not get carried away by range and modulation and clasical training. thee expression softness and depth in the voice are equally importanr qualities which were at their full extent with kishore. most of LPs music was a trash after 1975 including even hits with boring repetitive theka. look at rajesh roshan composition thoda hai thode, dil kya kare sung by kishore. such variety is not sung by rafi. no singer and md but KK and rd dared to get a light singer sing a version in tandem with classical singer. Kishore did it in light romantic bhavgeet version “hume tumse pyar kitana” against the mujra version By parveen sultana. if u do not get carried by classical music the light romantic version appeals more due to sftness and expression and pronounciation of words. the version when first heard in a cafe teria made a spellbound effect over a group of my friends who weere critics of kishore and continue to remain with exceptions like this song and chukar mere manko . both songs had a trmendous effect on every body.
rdB came on a radio show and selected lata/amit version over amit version of the song “yaad aa rahi hai” and put the song on. next he put the second song on that was “hme tumse pyar kitana” by kishore.
rafi and the gr8 songs he sang “khoya khoya chand”, and created imae which reminded composers to call him whenever similar situations and songs were composed. so the task ahead kishore was difficult. gradually over years kishore’s impressions were fromed . with his life songs in mind ” Rhidaynath” got him sung “zindagi aa raha hu mai” and “accha to hum chalate hai “reflected in the duet ” muze tum yad karna”. KKs sad image gave birth to many songs. a unique KK image is portrayed by rajesh roshan in ” koi roko na ” . It is interesting to note that rafi sang many memorable songs forrajesh khanna” due to yhis image formation” nafarat ki , yuhi tum muzse baat karte ho, gulabi aankhe, Ab aan milo sajana etc.
but after kishore singing for many years then for amitabh bacchan it is not easy to recollect good and important songs sung by rafi for amitabh as by that time the kishore image as formed in the minds of composers. they could adapt and compose tunes with kishore in mind.
there is third distinct variety of kishore songs apart from his unimitable singing of sad and soft songs that is songs like “are diwano muze pahachano”, which is alos not easy for
Rafi and others.
mere naina sawan bhado ( a lata type song) again would not have suited MR. SPB
so much was the impact of kishore voice that Ramlaxman created a song ( serious song” with kishore in mind ” maine tuse kuch nahi manga ” for the film “Katha”

]]> by: Anil Pedgaonkar http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7562 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:31:22 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7562 may be but the song is not gr8. yeh jeevan hai if lp offered to rafi then rafi would not have been able to sing. this song the song "kab tak andhere chalate rahenge", "zindagi ka safr" were nevr rafi's cup of tea. if lp's choice was rafi why he did not offer rafi yeh jeevan hai. the movie was snall budget. the hero was not rajesh khanna or amtabh bacchan. please read my last comment on 1st may 2008. Kishore was number one singer. naturally some songs suited the voice of rafi more so they were offered to rafi. also comosers and people were more used to rafi's voice for 25 years. His rendering was prefixed on their mind. kishore would have required another 2o years for that. This is simply but AN ADVANTAGE OF EARLY START. THERE ARE MMANY MASTERPIECES OF KISHORE WHICH ARE IMPOSSIBLE FOR RAFI/ YESUDAS/ SPB TO SING. RAFI LATA HAD UNPARALLELED RANGE comapred to asha /kishore but even asha/kishore had good range suitable for most of the songs. at high pitch also kishore's voice did not lose depth ( teri duniya se hoke majbur chala, mere naina sawan bhado) while rafi's voice at high pitch was hollow. ( refer o dunike rakhwale). the voice lacked lusture(maine pucha chandse very badly sung also darde dil badly sung) , rafi yesudas, spb all have more modulation than ksishore asha more modulation tahn lata. but if this is criterion then Bhimsen joshi sheerly beats rafi in every aspect. please go by the quality of inspiring voice of kishore in the songs above immortal may be but the song is not gr8. yeh jeevan hai if lp offered to rafi then rafi would not have been able to sing. this song the song “kab tak andhere chalate rahenge”, “zindagi ka safr” were nevr rafi’s cup of tea. if lp’s choice was rafi why he did not offer rafi yeh jeevan hai. the movie was snall budget. the hero was not rajesh khanna or amtabh bacchan. please read my last comment on 1st may 2008. Kishore was number one singer. naturally some songs suited the voice of rafi more so they were offered to rafi. also comosers and people were more used to rafi’s voice for 25 years. His rendering was prefixed on their mind. kishore would have required another 2o years for that. This is simply but AN ADVANTAGE OF EARLY START. THERE ARE MMANY MASTERPIECES OF KISHORE WHICH ARE IMPOSSIBLE FOR RAFI/ YESUDAS/ SPB TO SING. RAFI LATA HAD UNPARALLELED RANGE comapred to asha /kishore but even asha/kishore had good range suitable for most of the songs. at high pitch also kishore’s voice did not lose depth ( teri duniya se hoke majbur chala, mere naina sawan bhado) while rafi’s voice at high pitch was hollow. ( refer o dunike rakhwale). the voice lacked lusture(maine pucha chandse very badly sung also darde dil badly sung) , rafi yesudas, spb all have more modulation than ksishore asha more modulation tahn lata. but if this is criterion then Bhimsen joshi sheerly beats rafi in every aspect. please go by the quality of inspiring voice of kishore in the songs above immortal

]]> by: amit http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7484 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:47:36 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7484 http://youtube.com/watch?v=1yXwA7MgFYM http://youtube.com/watch?v=1yXwA7MgFYM

]]> by: hindustani http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7351 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:51:55 +0000 http://www.yoodleeyoo.com/kishore-diary/a-darker-truth.html#comment-7351 Rafi Sahib was the better singer and Kishore Da was the better musician.... Rafi Sahib was the better singer and Kishore Da was the better musician….

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